Cathar Perfect / Discussion

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Be Informed

quarkstomper 15 Nov 2009 20:48

I wish the Anonymous friend who made the edit to this page criticizing the "official view" would elaborate a bit. The article as written, seemed fairly balanced to my unknowledgeable eye. It did not brand the Cathars as heretics, and seemed to describe their beliefs and practices in non-judgmental terms. If the poster — or any of our other readers for that matter — knows of any contrary claims or information, I'd be interested in seeing it added to the article. And I always think it's a good idea to have more sources in the bibliography than just Wikipedia.

I added this comment to the page as well, since I'm not sure the Anonymous poster will see it here in the Forum.

And no, this is not a call to block Anonymous edits again. I don't think this guy is a troll. But I would like to see more substance from his remarks.

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"All the World's a Stage and Everyone's a Critic" — Mervyn Alquist

Thanks, Quark

r_b_bergstrom 16 Nov 2009 00:25

I saw that earlier, and I was a little weirded out by the "be warned, but be informed more" part. It seemed pretty ominous, but it's hard to read emotion on the internet, so I figured it probably wasn't intended to sound intimidating. At the time I decided I was going to just leave it alone…

…but since you've made the very reasonable request that we have more than just wikipedia as a source, I just added an entry for the book I can put my hands at the moment that discusses the Cathars. It doesn't really talk at all about the Perfecti, but it does corroborate the notion that the Cathars leadership were exterminated by the Catholic Church. I had listed it as a source for my more general Cathar page. I've seen other references in other things I've read, but none recently enough to be able to list in the bibliography from memory.

Giving it another google search, I did find an interesting site that discusses the possibilities of the Cathar lines surviving. Link to cathar-dot-info. It also mentions "Guilhem Belibaste" being put to death in the fourteenth century, and mentions a few other Cathar lines and enclaves that suffered similar fates… but suggests a secret succession / tradition could potentially have survived. I'll go add Cathar.info to the bibliography on the various pages, as I think it would be of interest to anyone using the Cathars in a game.

I would like to make a statement to the Anonymous poster. If anything in my Cathar pages offended you at all, I'm sorry. I myself am a vegetarian, and was raised Christian but am inclined to believe in reincarnation, so I find the Cathar very interesting. I intended my posts to be respectful, and am extremely sorry if I failed at that intent.

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r_b_bergstrom 16 Nov 2009 00:27

Oops. Double post.

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quarkstomper 16 Nov 2009 03:06

Thanks. I appreciate the extra effort you've put into the article.

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"All the World's a Stage and Everyone's a Critic" — Mervyn Alquist